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HELP!! starting out and vegan

Hi!

I am just starting because I want to loose fat and get lean quick but i'm really confused.

there is so much, exercise, don't exercise, do eat this not that, how much...

I'm a vegan and will absolutely be using soy!! its my only protein source.

I'm not sure how to eat as a vegan as there is very minimal vegan info, lots of eggs/vegetarian sure but I don't do eggs, its soy protein powder(has no additives, sugar anything) or tofu.

does anyone have any simple advice or meals/rules for a vegan. Will i still get good results???

I also really want to also get fit and toned and muscle, is this the best plan? and how much do I exercise? do I do the kettle-bells? how often and many?

I ride my bike everyday as transport about 30 to 50 mins a day( broken up of course into 3-5 trips)

this is not so much exercise as getting around. I can't get my head around not exercising as much as I really want to be fit and healthy as well as slimmer.

I want to get the best results possible, how do i do this???? Eat? exercise?

please help, rather confused!

thanks!

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G'day from across the ditch (well, I am not living across the ditch at the moment).

Its possible to do this diet as a vegan but its hard and for most people I would recommend against it, and not because of the protein issue. Between tofu, TVP, lentils, beans, nuts, and protein powder you should have protein covered. Your main problem will be with eating the same meals over and over again. As a vegan it will be almost impossible to get everything your body needs from a handful of food combinations. With meat you can get all your essential amino acids in one food.

If you are prepared to break that rule then you might be able to do this, but it will require a hell of a lot of planning from your side. The meatless machine diet plans for vegetarians are probably a good place to start. My one issue with these plans is that they tend to use a lot of supplements. There is a lot of research coming out these days that shows that taking supplements can do your body a lot of damage (especially vitamin A supplements which has been linked to things like lung cancer and osteoporosis). Getting everything you need from whole foods is going to be a bitch.

I would recommend a really extensive blood test once a month for the first 6 months when you are getting started to make sure you are not building deficiencies (in fact I would recommend this to any vegan, even if they are not slow carbing). I am a lacto/ovo vegetarian, and I had to work really hard to build a diet which offers good nutrition. Without dairy and eggs this is even harder. It might be easier for you to pick up a book on exercise and nutrition written for vegans, if you find a good one let me know, I am on the lookout.

Have a good one.

  • Ray Harris commented Oct 18th 2012:

    I have been vegetarian most of my life, raised veg till 15, vegan for about 5 years, I'm very healthy!! always have been. I may have deficiencies but probably no more than anyone. I think probably everyone has some deficiency unless they go nuts concentrating on it. I don't worry about that. what about spirulina? anyway thanks for the answer, not sure wether to do this or not...

  • Stephane Janson commented Oct 18th 2012:

    Maybe I am wrong but I feel like you are getting defensive, you really dont need to be. I wasnt trying to say that veganism isnt a healthy lifestyle, I would even go so far as to say that with proper planning, veganism is healthier than meat eating (in fact I think Tim says something like "a well planned vegan diet is better than 99% of meat eating diets", in the Meatless Machine chapter.

  • Stephane Janson commented Oct 18th 2012:

    My point was that you need to plan for health, if you are healthy then its either because you planned for it or because your parents taught you good eating habits. Its true that everyone has deficiencies, but not all deficiencies are equal, if two people put equal effort into planing their diet, one of these people being vegan and the other being a meat eater, the vegan will develop much more serious deficiencies, so planning is much more important if you are a vegan.

  • Ray Harris commented Oct 18th 2012:

    Its hard not to get a bit defensive when people assume they know better than you,thats natural. Assuming meat eaters are just naturally eating well enough to not have to issues to note as much as the vegan might just by eating meat, regardless of what else they do,thats just silly and biased logic. I am in no more need of regular blood tests than anyone, its probably eye opening for anyone to do. I know this diet from experience not just reading about it and I see a lot of 'meat eaters' buying nothing but crap at the supermarket, so the deficiency thing just doesn't quite fly. The main point you have to remember is that most vegan are for reasons beyond thier own health, not that its not one of the healthiest diets but its not the main motivator for the choice!

  • Ray Harris commented Oct 18th 2012:

    Its just a bit heavy handed to suggest blood tests without knowing my history, diet, planning etc, I really just wanted to know about the 4 hour possibility not my diet or vegan diets in general. So sorry for the rant but please take my response with light hearted opinion, as a vegan you get a lot of advice and opinion on your diet so its hard not to get a bit defensive, I appreciate your responses and will take note of your advice.

  • Stephane Janson commented Oct 18th 2012:

    Man, I feel you on the people giving you unwelcome advice. Its the same for vegetarians. I get preached left and right. Its annoying, but just because its annoying doesn't make it wrong. Of course a lot of the advice people are so happy to shower on me is just wrong or uninformed, but some of it is not, it would be so silly of me to just shut out stuff which I dont like to hear.

    I reject the notion that I gave you uninformed advice. I gave you this advice based on my experience with vegetarianism (11 years), and my experience of eating meat (14 years). My experience is that it is harder to be a vegetarian and be healthy.

    I also have a degree in biotechnology so if you want to talk science and studies about why this is the case we can.

  • Stephane Janson commented Oct 18th 2012:

    "Assuming meat eaters are just naturally eating well enough to not have to issues to note as much as the vegan might just by eating meat, regardless of what else they do, thats just silly and biased logic."

    That is faulty logic, but that's not what I said. I said that it is easier for a meat eater to be healthier than a vegan when both put the same effort into planning their diet.

    "I am in no more need of regular blood tests than anyone, its probably eye opening for anyone to do."

    Yes it is eye opening for everyone, but you and I are not everyone. We purposefully restrict our food choices and some nutrients are harder for us to get because of this choice. For this reason, you and I are more prone to error and would benefit more from blood tests.

  • Ray Harris commented Oct 18th 2012:

    ha ha your not going to stop are you? Okay! its funny you know how annoying it is but still continue, its the assumptions that are the worst. perhaps because I did not eat meat at all till after I was 15 I am better adapted to not having it, I was extremely healthy as a child and still am. you are not telling me anything I have not heard before thousands of times, and my experience completely counter acts yours. I do not have that experience,I have always felt healthier with no meat!!! so we can tit for tat who knows more etc or just accept there may be different ways and body types etc and we have very different experiences! Its just the assumptions, knowing nothing of my diet or health but assume I'm unhealthy and as I said its not the main motivator anyway!

  • Ray Harris commented Oct 18th 2012:

    Assuming meat eaters are just naturally eating well enough to not have to issues to note as much as the vegan might just by eating meat, regardless of what else they do...Okay perhaps you didn't do this but you did preach to me as a vegan instantly, assuming many things about my health which I assume you wouldn't do instantly to a meat eater. this is the difference. any old meat eater may have a very unhealthy diet with no planning and terrible nutrition but this does not instantly get assumed and commented on to that person. I believe all animal products to be unhealthy and have done a lot of research to back that up. perhaps its in the raising, I assume you were raised in the need meat way while I was raised I don't need it, perhaps that can have a deeper affect.

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good luck...

I was pseudo Vegan/Vegetarian before I started the SCD. There just isn't enough ways to get enough protein required on a Vegan diet. MAYBE a Vegetarian diet. The book does do a few case studies on Vegetarian diet (pg 514 and pg 530) so read those and see if you can replace the protein.

The SCD taught me why protein is good and my life is alot better for it. Going back to meat (in moderation) has been a game changer for me. I have never been this healthy and I have the tests and results to prove it.

  • Ray Harris commented Oct 18th 2012:

    I don't really care how healthy it may be I will not eat anything from an animal firstly for personal ethical reasons and then I have my own views on the health of meat etc. I eat a lot of protein and I don't think it will be hard, I have pure protein powder and tofu which I'm willing to eat a lot if if need be!! any suggestions and help would be appreciated! thanks!

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Ray,

When asking for advice from people- expect them to give it to you and don't get defensive!

Based on your question reading or re-reading the applicable chapters is your best starting point.

Some questions for you- how much do you have to lose? what is your height?

Since soy is your primary prom of protein- I would defenitely read the meatless machine section.

Also since soy is your only protien source it should be quite simple any meal you see replace the protein with Soy.

If after a month, you don't see results consider eliminating soy for a month and trying it with some other vegan protien- hemp, pea, rice, artichoke, and see if that makes a change.

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